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UNSC: Adding new SC members.

Post by Tellos » 07:13:14 Monday, 31 October, 2016

The Russian Federation proposes the addtion of three new perminent members of the Security council.We beleive it is time to get away from the "victors of the great war." Committee we have had for decades now. We propose the following addtions.

India
Japan
And the republic of Korea.

We beleive each has shwon the maturity and responsibility level to be on it and amogn them Japan has been among the most commonly voted in members to the rotating mebmership. Thus we beleive it is in the interests of the UN to add them.
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Post by MTFD » 13:12:50 Monday, 31 October, 2016

While we support the addition of these members, what about Germany and Brazil? Both are important players on the world stage and important in their region.

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Post by Huojin » 15:00:38 Monday, 31 October, 2016

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While the Indian government has long had cordial and friendly relations with the Republic of Korea, we must voice our concern at their inclusion - the elevation of one of the two Korean nations to the Security Council may deeply prejudice the peace process and negotiations in the Korean Peninsula, and risks alienating the DPRK entirely. While their influence in the region is undoubtedly growing, we could offer a cautious observation that wider considerations of international stability must be made.

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Post by DutchGuy » 15:42:29 Monday, 31 October, 2016

MTFD wrote:While we support the addition of these members, what about Germany and Brazil? Both are important players on the world stage and important in their region.
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The Federal Republic of Germany has not yet fully atoned for the crimes of starting both World Wars due to its past ''virtues' of Prussianism and Militarism. We will not bid for a position on the Security Council, even a temporary one, until the last National-Socialist and their victims have died and the past is well and truly buried. As a nation and a people, we have yet to truly mature, and as such, do not deserve a seat on the most important international body of this planet.

As well for the above mentioned reason, the relative lack of German influence on other parts of the world such as the French Republic or the United Kingdom has, or even the Russian Federation, We move to declare Germany a regional power and strictly so, and thus not powerful enough to be able to ascend to the Security Council permanently. Regional powers should not be included permanently on the Security Council.
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Re: UNSC: Adding new SC members.

Post by Coin » 15:43:55 Monday, 31 October, 2016

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China is not in favour of this particular proposal, and would urge - instead of an extension of 3 new realms onto the UNSC with unclear criteria or cause - for a proper consultation on the various proposals for UNSC reform instead.

Nonetheless we agree with Russia that it is in the interests of the United Nations to ensure that the UNSC is open to reform, provided it is done in a clear and fair manner.

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Re: UNSC: Adding new SC members.

Post by Serenissima » 18:36:52 Monday, 31 October, 2016

While Japan is, and always has been, in favour of Security Council reform since the issue was first raised - and is pleased to note that the Russian delegation recognises our contribution - we believe that the reforms must go deeper than merely adding more permanent members without any additional reforms. The 'Uniting for Consensus' group, opposing the former G4 Group, raises many valid points and concerns - though we disagree with their central premise that there should be no further permanent members - and instead, we would hope to see the stalling based on regional rivalries halted by favouring neither party. The present state of the Security Council is frozen in time in 1945, a victor's table from the Second World War, and as such, a lack of reform is clearly unsustainable.

We draw attention to the 'In Larger Freedom' plans drawn up in 2005 by Secretary-General Annan as a possible way forwards, in particular ILF Plan A, which calls for six new permanent members and three new non-permanent slots, for a new total of twenty-four members. It must be clear that this is not Japan's own proposal, but merely a possible way forward, with Annan himself saying on the subject of Security Council reform, "This important issue has been discussed for too long. I believe member states should agree to take a decision on it—preferably by consensus, but in any case before the summit—making use of one or other of the options presented."

Annan left the choice of the six new permanent members up to the General Assembly, as his plans did not specify exactly which nations would be added. As Germany has removed itself from the running at this time - though Germany would, under normal circumstances, be an obvious choice in many ways - the following may be worthy of taking under consideration, though this list is not exhaustive, nor does it suggest that Japan views only the listed nations below as valid choices, and for a wider regional spread rather than the present almost total Atlantic focus - again, a legacy from the Second World War. These do not appear in any particular order.
  • India: 18.1% of the world's population are Indian, which is the second-largest national population in the world. India is the second largest contributor of forces to UN peacekeeping operations, and currently, contributes more troops to peacekeeping operations than the current P5 nations combined. Tenth-largest economy in the world. A nuclear power.
  • Japan: the most frequently elected non-permanent Security Council member. G8 member, second largest economy in the world, second largest contributor to the United Nations and proportionally to national GDP the greatest contributor. Historically, we have not taken our fair share of UN peacekeeping operations due to our constitution, but with the constitutional reforms now in place - and beginning with our deployment of peacekeepers to Lebanon, we aim to change this in support of our application to permanent membership, while keeping our greater share of proportional funding.
  • Brazil: The largest country in Latin America in terms of population, GDP and land area. It has the fifth largest population, eleventh largest economy, eleventh largest defence budget, and has the fifth largest land area of any nation in the world. The tenth largest contributor to the UN budget, one of the largest contributions to peacekeeping, and the second most elected member to the non-permanent seats of the Security Council. Was proposed as a permanent member in 1945, but was vetoed.
  • Germany: Has excluded itself from the running, but would be a very valid candidate otherwise, other than the resulting enormous concentration of permanent seats in the European Union under existing proposals.
  • Italy: Seventh-largest economy in the world, and a long-standing contributor to both the United Nations budget and its peacekeeping operations, with a clear commitment to peace.
  • Mexico: Ninth-largest contributor to the assessed but not voluntary UN budget. Sixth largest country in the Americas, thirteenth largest in the world, and fifteenth largest economy in the world. Spanish-speaking nation, representing the second-largest group of native language speakers in the world. Cannot, however, contribute to peacekeeping unless constitutional amendments along the line of Japan's are made, which would presently bar permanent Security Council membership.
  • Nigeria: The most populous country in Africa, has the continent's second largest economy, is the 15th largest contributor to UN peacekeeping missions. Japan points out that Africa presently has no representation on the Security Council of any kind, and as such, would very much like to see one of these African proposals included in any Security Council reform as permanent members.
  • Egypt: Has the biggest military in Africa, was one of the founding members of the United Nations, and enjoys great influence both in Africa and in the Arab world, being able to fulfil several currently-unfilled boxes for permanent representation, as an Arab nation, an African nation and a Muslim nation.
  • South Africa: Largest economy in Africa, founder member of the United Nations, arguably the most stable and influential nation in Southern Africa, with a robust democratic system, and the only nation ever to have developed nuclear weapons and then renounced them and disposed of them, which, at least from Japan, is worthy of great respect and shows great fortitude and moral courage.
  • Algeria: Arab, Muslim and African nation, highly respected for its neutrality, its enormous contributions to the African Union, and its genuine commitment to the peaceful development of the African continent and the world through its international diplomacy.
  • Republic of Korea: An up-and-coming United Nations member that joined only in 1991, that has seen its contributions increase significantly and its role on the world stage increase in the last two decades, from being appointed president of the General Assembly in 2001 to the recent appointment of Ban Ki-moon to the position of Secretary-General. As the twelfth-largest economy in the world, the Republic of Korea would make a very respectable permanent member of the Security Council, particularly given their expertise in international diplomacy due to their neighbour in the North.
  • Indonesia: A significant and popular Asian member of the United Nations, being frequently elected to chair committees, join the Security Council and head UN operations, a major contributor to peacekeeping, and also a majority Muslim nation. Fourth largest population in the world and sixteenth-largest economy.
Any reform may also do well to consider an alteration of the present Regional Groups, either in general or purely for for Security Council purposes to better represent the situation and disposition of the world in 2007, rather than in 1945. The present groupings are as follows:

Africa: 3 seats
Asia: 3 seats
Latin America & Caribbean: 2 seats
Western Europe & Others: 5 seats
Eastern Europe: 2 seats

As can be seen, this division of seats reflects a distinct Cold War mentality, particularly in the latter two categories, and is not at all representative of the major nations and population centres of the world any longer. Even notwithstanding the idea of adding additional permanent members, the Regional Groups reflect an outdated view of the world situation. In terms of permanent members, Western Europe & Others holds three of the five permanent seats, Asia one and Eastern Europe one, while all others have none.

Japan, as a preliminary measure, might therefore propose, as an opening of discussion, the following redistribution of Regional Groups, and perhaps, furthermore, propose that a distribution in which each altered Region has either two or three Permanent Members, to ensure a more balanced global distribution - though these are two seperate proposals, and should be discussed seperately. We also include example Permanent Members to encourage discussion, though these should not be considered binding suggestions for an arrangement - nor, indeed, should any of this.

Africa: Nigeria, South Africa, (Algeria?)
Asia: China, Russia, (Republic of Korea?)
Americas: United States, Brazil (Mexico?)
Europe: France, United Kingdom, (Italy?)
Subcontinent & Middle East: India, Egypt
Southeast Asia & Pacific: Japan, Indonesia

For some explanation: this arrangement would mean a total of between twelve and sixteen permanent members, or possibly eighteen if more candidates are proposed for the latter two regional groups. Perhaps then the non-permanent seats be created at a greater number than the permanent seats, with regions that have fewer permanent members receiving additional non-permanent seats to make each region have the same total number of seats. This would result in a Security Council with a minimum of thirty members, thus roughly preserving the ratio of permanent to non-permanent seats.

We stress, once again, that this is not a formal submission of a proposal nor does it imply support or rejection of any nation's candidacy other than our existing, known position in favour of the permanent membership of Japan, India and Brazil. It is merely up for discussion, to stimulate thought and ideas on this topic, and to raise that there are more issues at stake than merely adding permanent seats.

(All based on what information I could find from UN figures and estimates for 2006/7.)
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Re: UNSC: Adding new SC members.

Post by DutchGuy » 21:20:23 Monday, 31 October, 2016

The Federal Republic of Germany urges a retention of the status quo.
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Post by Serenissima » 22:09:23 Monday, 31 October, 2016

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The Federal Republic of Germany urges a retention of the status quo.
Europe, and Western society in general, is adequately represented on the Security Council, but other regions and cultures are not. The status quo is, unfortunately enough, grossly unfair and biased in favour of the West - and as such, while Germany may be content with the status quo, with the European Union already possessing multiple veto powers on the Security Council, these injustices have been a problem for many years for those outside of Europe, in Asia, Africa and South America, who are also deserving of a full and equal voice - or does Germany suggest otherwise?
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Post by Cephal » 22:13:00 Monday, 31 October, 2016

As far as the United States is concerned, we would be open to allowing the following nations on the security council as permanent members:

Japan [In terms of influence and political stability]
India [In terms of size and importance in their respective region]
Brazil [In terms of size and importance in their respective region]

Given that Germany has already refused a potential spot on the council, we would have to recommend against them.

South Korea may be of increasing prominence in Asia, but until the issue of Reunification has concluded or that the issue of North Korea is no longer a threat to their sovereignty - we would have to recommend against South Korea on the council.

We would support no entries other than the initial three.
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Post by DutchGuy » 00:12:18 Tuesday, 01 November, 2016

The Federal Republic of Germany finds it intriguing it was even considered before our recent statement. We are in no way influential on the world nor aim to be. There is as much justification of putting Germany on the SC as the Republic of Korea. None.
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Post by Serenissima » 01:45:47 Tuesday, 01 November, 2016

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The Federal Republic of Germany finds it intriguing it was even considered before our recent statement. We are in no way influential on the world nor aim to be. There is as much justification of putting Germany on the SC as the Republic of Korea. None.
(OOC note: Germany is, historically, part of the G4 Group of nations - Japan, India, Brazil and Germany - who are the four main candidates for Security Council permanent expansion, and have agreed to support one another's candidacies for UNSC expansion. The reason Germany would be being considered is because it is in real life, and has been since well before the game began - though of course, nothing stops Germany withdrawing from the G4 and its candidacy for the Security Council.)
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Post by Luc » 14:10:53 Tuesday, 01 November, 2016

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His Majesty's Government agrees with the United states, in which we propose that Brazil, India and Japan should be brought into the security council, however, we would also express our welcome to the potential entry of Germany, who in the eyes of the United Kingdom are more than welcome to join this Council if they wish for it, and if the other member nations allow it.
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Post by Serenissima » 14:31:51 Tuesday, 01 November, 2016

Any increase in permanent seats should also be matched with a proportionate increase in elected non-permanent seats, so as to maintain the existing voting balance of 1:2 permanent to non-permanent. The addition of three permanent members, bringing the total to eight, would suggest that there also ought to be six more non-permanent seats available, to bring the total number of all seats to 24, in line with Annan's "In Larger Freedom" proposal.
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Re: UNSC: Adding new SC members.

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Beijing's position remains the same as in the 2005 discussions, and we would therefore oppose the US proposal at present, though would look kindly upon New Delhi and Brasilia as eventual candidates for UNSC membership.

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Post by Serenissima » 16:25:09 Tuesday, 01 November, 2016

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Beijing's position remains the same as in the 2005 discussions, and we would therefore oppose the US proposal at present, though would look kindly upon New Delhi and Brasilia as eventual candidates for UNSC membership.
The People's Republic of China veto of any reasonable reform of the United Nations continues - unsurprisingly - to be the primary obstacle to moving on to a fairer and more equitable system. We urge the PRC to reconsider its position, rather than remaining as the sole stumbling block of the Permanent Members on this issue.
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