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Re: US politics

Postby Huojin » 18:30:39 Monday, 08 August, 2016

Zar wrote:
Huojin wrote:the brilliant oration of Obama


What Obama speeches do you think are memorable?

I'm talking style, rather than substance. But his speech at the 2004 Convention stands out as pretty solid.

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Re: US politics

Postby Zar » 19:08:17 Monday, 08 August, 2016

Huojin wrote:
Zar wrote:
Huojin wrote:the brilliant oration of Obama


What Obama speeches do you think are memorable?

I'm talking style, rather than substance. But his speech at the 2004 Convention stands out as pretty solid.


Obama's way of speaking has been pretty controversial, it seems. He uses a lot of filled pauses, which can either come across as amateur or endearing.

I also think you aren't being very fair to Clinton's speeches.



As a young student she was pretty eloquent, though she does make a few mistakes.



This speech is pretty influential, at least in popularizing the phrase "Women's Rights Are Human Rights" that is prominent in feminist rhetoric. I can't think of anything comparable for Obama.
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Re: US politics

Postby Huojin » 20:48:51 Monday, 08 August, 2016

1969 and 1995. My Obama example is from 2004. Something more recent than 20 years ago might be appropriate for this particular point. Although I'll also point out that her 1995 speech is before a conference where everyone is listening politely - not members of the public in a crowd.

Though again, my point is about style rather than substance. Hillary has made plenty of influential or notable speeches when you look at the content. But the style with which she speaks leaves plenty to be desired. She speaks haltingly at times, there's little regard for rhythm, she's bad at sensing the mood of the audience, she's not great at knowing where the pause and leave things she's said to air, or when to break for cheering, and so on.

I'll avoid talking about her quips and "jokes", because those are undoubtedly her speech writers, but she could do without them.

When a speech needs detail, or precision, or is in a big formal setting where things are in control, she's fine and does a good enough job. But I think she's dropping the ball on her public speeches.

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Re: US politics

Postby Pager » 00:42:06 Tuesday, 09 August, 2016

She's an overrated politician just like Obama.

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Re: US politics

Postby Zar » 02:30:56 Tuesday, 09 August, 2016

1969 and 1995. My Obama example is from 2004. Something more recent than 20 years ago might be appropriate for this particular point.


Why would it be more appropriate for this "particular point"?

Although I'll also point out that her 1995 speech is before a conference where everyone is listening politely - not members of the public in a crowd.


I don't understand how this gives her an unfair edge over Obama, both of them have made speeches to a variety of different crowds.

She speaks haltingly at times, there's little regard for rhythm, she's bad at sensing the mood of the audience, she's not great at knowing where the pause and leave things she's said to air, or when to break for cheering, and so on.


You would have to point out exactly where you've found these flaws. Even given that these criticisms are true, it seems as though Obama's "style" failed to persuade many Americans to back his healthcare plan, to take credit for the killing of Osama Bin-Laden, and to present the other successes of his presidency. Of course, Clinton hasn't tried to do these things, but she has been president either.

When a speech needs detail, or precision, or is in a big formal setting where things are in control, she's fine and does a good enough job. But I think she's dropping the ball on her public speeches.


I am skeptical of this. Yes, Obama does good in non-hostile environments like rallies or conventions. In debates he has issues where it is obvious that he is trying to think of a reply. That is when he speaks slower and screws up words. He also can be a little meandering. Clinton is much more direct in debates. Compare these.

https://youtu.be/eEfxalQNwKY?t=2223

https://youtu.be/QEpCrcMF5Ps?t=462

Obama is great when he can be irreverent. His White House correspondent dinners are probably the best ever.



In short, I wouldn't call Obama's speaking skills "brilliant", though he does have strengths. And if you compare his skills with Clinton's they would not be too far apart.



Pager wrote:She's an overrated politician just like Obama.



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Re: US politics

Postby Pager » 10:47:30 Tuesday, 09 August, 2016

Zar wrote:
1969 and 1995. My Obama example is from 2004. Something more recent than 20 years ago might be appropriate for this particular point.


Why would it be more appropriate for this "particular point"?

Although I'll also point out that her 1995 speech is before a conference where everyone is listening politely - not members of the public in a crowd.


I don't understand how this gives her an unfair edge over Obama, both of them have made speeches to a variety of different crowds.

She speaks haltingly at times, there's little regard for rhythm, she's bad at sensing the mood of the audience, she's not great at knowing where the pause and leave things she's said to air, or when to break for cheering, and so on.


You would have to point out exactly where you've found these flaws. Even given that these criticisms are true, it seems as though Obama's "style" failed to persuade many Americans to back his healthcare plan, to take credit for the killing of Osama Bin-Laden, and to present the other successes of his presidency. Of course, Clinton hasn't tried to do these things, but she has been president either.

When a speech needs detail, or precision, or is in a big formal setting where things are in control, she's fine and does a good enough job. But I think she's dropping the ball on her public speeches.


I am skeptical of this. Yes, Obama does good in non-hostile environments like rallies or conventions. In debates he has issues where it is obvious that he is trying to think of a reply. That is when he speaks slower and screws up words. He also can be a little meandering. Clinton is much more direct in debates. Compare these.

https://youtu.be/eEfxalQNwKY?t=2223

https://youtu.be/QEpCrcMF5Ps?t=462

Obama is great when he can be irreverent. His White House correspondent dinners are probably the best ever.



In short, I wouldn't call Obama's speaking skills "brilliant", though he does have strengths. And if you compare his skills with Clinton's they would not be too far apart.



Pager wrote:She's an overrated politician just like Obama.



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Their biggest skill in politics is self-promotion, not statesmanship. That's why I say they're overrated and also hyped-up by the media.

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Re: US politics

Postby Zar » 21:19:41 Tuesday, 09 August, 2016

Pager wrote:Their biggest skill in politics is self-promotion, not statesmanship. That's why I say they're overrated and also hyped-up by the media.


Well I very much doubt Obama's biggest skill in politics is "self-promotion" since he has been unable to tie any of the successes of his presidency to himself. The same for Clinton, since he tenure as Secretary of State was pretty low key (besides the Benghazi thing).

"Overrated and hyped-up" by whom? It is pretty clear that there that "the media" is partisan with both of them.
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Re: US politics

Postby Langben » 08:38:52 Wednesday, 10 August, 2016

Zar wrote:The same for Clinton, since he tenure as Secretary of State was pretty low key (besides the Benghazi thing).


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Re: US politics

Postby Zar » 04:32:25 Thursday, 11 August, 2016

Don't understand what you're trying to say here, mi amigo.
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Re: US politics

Postby Master of Oblivion » 19:43:29 Monday, 15 August, 2016

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Re: US politics

Postby Huojin » 21:09:32 Sunday, 11 September, 2016

Less than 2 months to go till Decision 2016, anyone wanna start a pool on which of the geriatric candidates doesn't make it to inauguration and when?

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Re: US politics

Postby Langben » 04:28:03 Tuesday, 13 September, 2016

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Re: US politics

Postby Huojin » 17:05:48 Tuesday, 18 October, 2016

Three things I never thought I'd see combined: Trump, Cards Against Humanity, and Overwatch:

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Re: US politics

Postby Maddox » 18:37:50 Tuesday, 18 October, 2016

Huojin wrote:Three things I never thought I'd see combined: Trump, Cards Against Humanity, and Overwatch:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... board.html

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Re: US politics

Postby Zar » 00:42:38 Friday, 04 November, 2016

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Everyone post your predictions. Who ever is the closest should get a prize.
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