Crap, I'm on a roll. SPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERS
Huojin wrote:OKAY SO WE'VE FORGOTTEN TO DO SPOILER TAGS BUT NEEDLESS TO SAY, DON'T READ THIS SHIT IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH THE FILM.
Put his friends in jail after they were huge dickheads. Hell I'd throw all you guys in jail too if you tried to defy international law designed to regulate... weird forum games or something, I guess? I dunno, point is, y'all goin' down.
Cap's last movie they had to implode their defacto government handlers because it was all Nazis. Throw that cherry on top of the government's ineptitude/abuse trying to regulate Iron Man and Hulk, and it's not surprising that the Avengers are leaning decidedly towards "small government".
Vision made a mistake, it wasn't Tony's doing.
It's sort of allegorical to the broader story. Stark is good results born of bad process.IM 1
: Upset with his weapons industry, he escalates by creating the most potent personal weapons system ever.IM 2
: Faced with competition again, he haphazardly distributes his advantage (immediately pays for that mistake with Warmachine hacked) and then escalates his stuff again.Avengers
: Escalation completely blows past Stark, he's forced into another haphazard alliance. He beats Cap to the punch in distrusting SHIELD, but they diverge wildly from here.IM 3/Winter Soldier/Ultron
: Back to escalation. More suits = dead end. Upgrade haphazard allies at SHIELD = almost made to pay again (never held accountable for this in films because it would expose how out of it his approach has become)
. Ultron he goes for broke and escalates with AI+Space magic (near instant regret) and after pissing everybody off he doubles down and gets bailed out by lawful perfect Vision.
The fact that Stark is ultimately the one who is too focused on his target and doesn't account for collateral is intentional
. If Banner saw Stark playing good cop to Colonel Buzzcut's bad cop, he'd Hulk backhand him into low orbit. That shit ain't never worked, but Stark is the king of recycling bad ideas.
Also Cap was totally on the wrong side of the Tony-Bucky thing. How d'you keep that shit secret and expect nothing bad to come from it? The dude brutally murdered his parents in cold blood (mind controlled or not), and he had to watch the video records of that shit. Not to mention that the only words he ever says in Bucky's defence are "he's muh fraaaaand". You wanna talk about Scarlet Witch and mind control, why is it never brought up that "oh he's totally being mind controlled, let's may not be hasty"?
Meanwhile in the immediate aftermath of blowing up a hotel full of innocents, Cap wants to reject the idea of any oversight for the Avengers at all? Cap's unwillingness to compromise or be honest causes pretty much the entire conflict of the film. He's the imbecile of his own film.
There's an element of forced stupidity to that, and when Cap initially starts punching out cops in the big chase. Cap probably did Stark dirty with "I didn't tell you about your parents because drama" trope, but Stark has been careening towards a global-threat fuck up for a while and keeping him stable probably wasn't a terrible goal.
Right now they're pretty perfectly positioned to get their shit slapped by Thanos, regroup and get the band back together, and then have their ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny.