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Re: World Politics (aka the Greek Peace Summit)

Post by Maddox » 02:47:41 Tuesday, 16 February, 2016

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 74201.html

Thought some of you guys might interested in this update on the New Years Eve attacks in Cologne
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Re: World Politics (aka the Greek Peace Summit)

Post by Huojin » 02:55:09 Tuesday, 16 February, 2016

Maddox wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 74201.html

Thought some of you guys might interested in this update on the New Years Eve attacks in Cologne
The damage has probably been done already in this case. Besides, all people needed was for them to be Arab and/or from Muslim countries to make the argument the refugee policy had gotten out of hand.

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Re: World Politics (aka the Greek Peace Summit)

Post by Serenissima » 20:11:53 Wednesday, 30 March, 2016

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35919068

BG, is this guy actually as known in your neck of the woods as the BBC claims?
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Re: World Politics (aka the Greek Peace Summit)

Post by BgKnight » 08:51:49 Thursday, 31 March, 2016

Serenissima wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35919068

BG, is this guy actually as known in your neck of the woods as the BBC claims?
he sure is, most of what is said in that article is pretty accurate.
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Post by Huojin » 21:48:30 Sunday, 17 July, 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... for-labour

I mean besides this, I'm pretty sure Labour are fucked anyway. In 1997 Labour won 56/72 seats in Scotland, and have been haemorrhaging votes ever since. Plus there's only 59 seats in Scotland now anyway. As soon as they're independent (which I believe much more certainly now is coming), Labour will need a 1997 New Labour sized swing to get a majority. The rest of the country is too conservative.

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Post by OYID » 18:09:39 Tuesday, 19 July, 2016

Huojin wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... for-labour

I mean besides this, I'm pretty sure Labour are fucked anyway. In 1997 Labour won 56/72 seats in Scotland, and have been haemorrhaging votes ever since. Plus there's only 59 seats in Scotland now anyway. As soon as they're independent (which I believe much more certainly now is coming), Labour will need a 1997 New Labour sized swing to get a majority. The rest of the country is too conservative.
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I know very little about UK politics. Among the few things I know is that The Guardian is widely derided by Corbyn's supporters and those to the left of them as a Blairite rag. Since I trust leftwing analysis more than rightwing thought, I take their word for it, and so I'm very skeptical whenever I see that The Guardian slams Corbyn and his crew, on account of it being the known soapbox for the faction within the Labour Party that the new leader deposed. Hence, I'm willing to bet that the writer is exaggerating the ills of Corbynism, since it's utterly absurd to believe that a team of professional politicals would make it through any sort of campaign without concrete proposals in their platform (even Donald Trump, who is widely derided as having no specific proposals, does in fact actually have them, it's just that he presents them in an intentionally vague manner to stem criticism and conceal the fact that he's probably the spearhead of a new generation of Fascism, but that's aother rant).

I believe it was Hannah Arendt who said that liberal analyses are good at describing the present situation, but bad at explaining how it came about, whereas Marxist analyses are great at causal explanations, but usually too blinded by them to grasp the present moment. I mention this because I think the article is good at identifying Corbyn's movement's central problem (i.e. the lack of a coherent platform, although, I insist, he's probably exaggerating) but rather quite shite at explaining it, as the Brritish would say. Corbyn and co. denounce austerity and anti-people policies in general without a definite roadmap towards reversing them, and his conclusion is that they're too extreme as leftists to be electable, when the problem, in fact, is quite the opposite: Corbyn's insurrection, as scary as it might have been for the establishment at first, is completely terrified of doing anything remotely (and concretely) radical. One can guess as to why: maybe they're scared that if they up the ante they'll end up governing and have to face organized opposition to a radical platform, maybe they've been adviced by their SYRIZA and Podemos colleagues that life is meaningless and the bourgeoisie always wins, maybe they've been bought off by the Westminster apparatus to just play the role of left-ish containment without presenting a real threat. Who knows.

It strikes me as, qutite frankly, bananas to read about a leftwing party that dares not propose concrete alternatives to capitalism only to have the writer tell me that this is because they're too far to the left. And yes, I did say capitalism, not "neoliberalism", or "cronyism" or whatever new word's in vogue nowadays to point out the system's worst defects without confronting private property, the bourgeois State or the capitalist mode of accumulation itself. I do this not just to be a stickler but because I honestly believe that capitalism as a system has run out of variations, and its generalized crisis makes it so that the grand financiers and holders of the world's wealth can no longer afford the luxury of tolerating any pseudo-socialist softening of their iron grip. The public humilliation of SYRIZA should be more than enough proof that change cannot come about from within capitalist structures, and, as I mentioned above, I think that's part of the reason why Corbyn's platform is so vague in the first place: it's evident to everyone that society as we know it operates under a failed system, and yet Corbyn doesn't have the courage to step up and challenge its basic political and economic structures, so it's fitting that he and his followers are relegated to the role of broad agitators, without visionary strategists to back them up.

On the point of courage, I'd like to vent off a little, since this is something that really gets on my nerves. Throughout this decade's Reformist Renaissance, it has been a constant trait of broad leftwing movements climbing into the institutional political arena that they prove incredibly (and, it seems, increasingly) vulnerable to accusations of extremism on the part of their opponents. Spain's Podemos started as the political expression of a series of anti-austerity demos and occupations of public plazas that defied official curfews and bans on their actions, and yet their slogan for this past campaign was "The Smile of a Country", which is so weak and servile that it strikes me as downright cruel to put forth in a country whose economic crisis has unleashed a rampant sucide epidemic. Of course they got their asses kicked, of course the base no longer trusts the leadership, they've been diluting their message so much that their main revolutionary tactic is smiling! And this is all so as not to offend the very people they're supposedly fighting to overthrow! And they keep doing it again and again! The electoral left all over the world repeats this same mistake over and over: they put forward broad anti-austerity programmes, then they get called mean names by the rightwing media, at which point they cave in and begin to put forward an even broader and more moderate platform than before. I've seen it happen here in Mexico, and I'm pretty sure it's what's happening overseas.

I mentioned it along with courage because I believe it's a sin for leftwingers to not be able to withstand enemy propaganda. When you set out to oppose the Powers That Be, you've literally got to be ready for blood libel. It is inexcusable to allow criticism of your platform to turn you into a right wing party, expecially after so many people have pinned their hopes on your supposed bravery.

One final note: Brexit is a perfect case example for vanguardist politics, and the dangers of not engaging in them. Most genuine leftwingers agree that worthwhile change is impossible under such an overtly pro-bussiness and bank-subservient institution as the EU (see: SYRIZA, humilliation), so I have to assume that Corbyn's lackluster Remain campaign was a reflection of his own lack of enthusiasm over being dragged into defending Europe by the Labour establishment, with which he probably struck some sort of deal in exchange for collaborating. This made it so that the British people's genuine greivances with the Brussels Pro-Austerity Organization could only be embodied in the form of Nigel Farage's particular brand of xenophobic crazy. By refusing to confront the Blairite establishment on the issue of Brexit, Corbyn allowed the movement to be led by the extreme right, which in turn helped it to grow. This is how vanguardism is supposed to work: a radical faction takes the lead in solving a concrete problem affecting the common people (in this case, that their government is under the German sphere of influence and takes part in a bourgeois pro-austerity super-state) and so the people associate the faction's entire ideology with better lives for them, even though they may have only put into action some of their programme. By ceding the entire pro-Brexit camp to UKIP and the right wing of the Conservative Party, Corbyn pretty much guaranteed that an independent Britain will be under the sway of the Right, which can then blame Scottish Secessionism, EU economic warfare, and just plain old evil leftism for their troubles on the outside. Would we have seen a major resurgence of the Labour Party had Corbyn stuck to his probably-Euroskeptic guns? No, that would've probably necessitated the long-overdue break with Labour and the formation of a new party, and this new party would probably be very weak at first, but at least there would be some chance of post-referendum Britain being a place where human beings can live and not an increasingly-garish nightmare firmly set on the Road to Albion.

At any rate, my point is: the columnist is right in saying that Corbyn and his people have a severe problem with their lack of concrete policy proposals, but this not due, as he claims, because they're too leftwing, but rather because they're not leftwing enough: capitalism has run out of options and the ruling class has made it abundantly clear that they won't tolerate any sort of challenge to their power, so the only option is to become intolerable, but it's apparent that neither Corbyn nor any other figureheads of contemporary reformism has the stomach for it.

PS: The author claims that Corbyn's ideas, where they appied thoroughly, would negatively affect Labour's mostly middle-class support base. He also slams Corbyn for supporting policies which favor trade unions. This should make it pretty obvious that the British left has no business in Labour.
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Re: World Politics (aka the Greek Peace Summit)

Post by Huojin » 01:28:07 Thursday, 28 July, 2016




Also we figured out in IRC that 2016 is Nixon v Mussolini. So choose your evil, fellas!

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Post by Huojin » 03:19:35 Saturday, 10 September, 2016

Read with Newsnight in mind, and recapture the glory days of Paxo - terror of politicians across Britain (as he talks about Brexit and bring-backery).

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Post by Maddox » 07:19:11 Friday, 30 December, 2016

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Post by OYID » 00:02:20 Tuesday, 10 January, 2017

OYID's Official Shit List of the International Left:
  • Alexis Tsipras.
    Motherfucker had a popular mandate (the OXI referendum) to refuse to apply the Troika's memorandum. Yes, the EU threatened with expulsion, but the people voted NO anyway. His problem is he didn't have the, as we say over here, pinches cojones peludos to follow his own people. Ever wonder why the Left would be associated with global finance? It was this guy .
  • Pablo Iglesias.
    Spoke out against the Bolivarian Revolution during the worst part of the La salida destabilization campaign, aka precisely when solidarity was needed most, aka when people reveal their true colors. Coward.
  • Deray Mckesson.
    Started out as something of a public face for Black Lives Matter, which seems agreeable enough until you learn he's also a big proponent of charter schools (state-funded private-run schools in the US, touted as a solution to the country's educational crisis but really just a Wall Street cash cow with mediocre or even worse service than their public counterparts), then he made it worse by endorsing Hillary, for which he has been rewarded with much press coverage. This is precisely the kind of scum that social movements have to watch out against: opportunist capitalist roader that takes advantage of, y'know, his people's pain and struggle for his own personal glory and profit.
  • Jeremy Corbyn.
    Recently announced that his new "anti-establishment" image included being opposed to immigration, because why would the Labour Party ever take the side of workers, right? Also, his decision to campaign for Remain meant that Brexit was unavoidably led and ultimately perceived as a victory for UKIP and the right wing of the Conservative Party, as if there weren't any strong leftwing arguments for leaving the goddamn European Union. This reactionary leadership of the Out campaign was what led to this big racist revival we're seeing in Britain rn imo smdh. I'm certainly no expert, but it seems to me that it really, really didn't have to be this way.
  • Bernie Sanders.
    Remember all of that money that leftwing millennials raised to get a lifelong independent into the White House? Hillary certainly does, as not only did said "independent" spend it campaigning for her as soon as he was done conceding a rigged primary, but he also served what I predicted from the start was his real role: to co-opt the young emerging 21st Century US Left and turn it into votes for Hillary. It would've worked too if it weren't for the fact that US presidential elections work through an archaic and convoluted system that, ironically, over-represents white workers who Bernie might have appealed to had he run and who might've actually been shaken from their Democratic loyalties by his "populist"* primary-season message. Oh well, I'm adding him now because I sincerely thought he was going to see Trump's election as a woke-up call and finally become the mass leader he was meant to be. Silly me, here he is calling on folks to "challenge, not obstruct" the alt-right post-fascist regime of Donald "in the good old days he would've been carried out in a stretcher" Trump. Have some fucking dignity, man.
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Re: World Politics (aka the Greek Peace Summit)

Post by OYID » 18:31:08 Tuesday, 10 January, 2017

Updates and expanded the shit list. Thinking of making a list of leftist orgs and folks I actually like if there's enough interest. :P
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Re: World Politics (aka the Greek Peace Summit)

Post by Red John » 16:18:02 Wednesday, 11 January, 2017

OYID wrote:Updates and expanded the shit list. Thinking of making a list of leftist orgs and folks I actually like if there's enough interest. :P
Woah there, Jeremy 'One man vanguard' Corbyn most assuredly was not a remain campaigner. He completely failed to do anything meaningful for the campaign, and seemed to want out himself.

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