Snacks wrote:As someone who had the honor of having my trust betrayed by people here I considered friends because they wanted to break away to run their forum without anyone being the wiser and being willing to give them that trust again anyways, and as someone who made my disagreement with your banning known (which is the extent of what I can fucking do) don't try to fucking act like we somehow don't give a shit about you or people here, Goofy. I'm sure it's nice to act high and mighty about how we supposedly threw you under the bus (I'm not sure why you think we had a ton of choice in what happened on Patton, especially Rin and I, and that we didn't try to make do with the shitty options we did have) and to try to demean us by acting like we're treating Molotov as a dirty secret.
I do not know about most of this stuff, since I was still new while this was going on. I will, however, comment on your following paragraphs:
Snacks wrote:Meanwhile you're effectively throwing us under the bu by dismissing our concerns about having to deal with even more bullshit with an attitude of "we're not on Patton any more, only they are" which *is* spiteful at worst and a case of "I've got mine" at best,[...]
As someone whose ban can be safely considered unsubstantiated, I am going to point at you this simple fact: Patton is Patton and Molotov and Molotov. If A is A and B is B, why should A care about what B is doing? Specially considering that this not some 'underground movement to overthrow Der Fuhrer Sonny', but rather 'a place to play forum games without unnecesary and useless melodrama'.
Snacks wrote:[...]which is still shitty from a group of people I was told betrayed my trust because they cared about "community", which is why they needed to keep everything secret and hidden before,[...]
Back then Molotov could
have been classified as something mixed with, but not directed by, Patton. Most of us were Patton members, and had I not been bannned I would still have kept playing forum games. That was the only reason I got there in the first place, and the only reason I remained despite
the constant annoyance of Sonny and his two acolytes (to whom, I should add, I had already long apologized for my n00bish mistakes and acts).However,
regardless of whatever Patton's state may be (being banned is not conductive to getting news, by the way) I think it is clear that Molotov should not be 'Patton's shadow'. There is no reason to act like it is. As said before, originally this was a place to rebel against something, OK. But not anymore. We sticked togheter because we kept our goal: Forum games yes, forum drama no.
Snacks wrote:[...]and now apparently the reason most of them want it not to be secret, because the vague chance of getting more people from google[...]
Actually, I once tried to recruit a couple of people. Bring them here and in other places I visit regularly. Do you know what they told me about this and another forum? "Closed forums are a problem. We need to know how they run the games."
And you know, the bigger problem here is that I agree.
Snacks wrote:[...]is so obviously more important than dealing with the issue of people who are supposed to already be a part of it.[...]
The problem is not here, Snacks, it is over there. Sonny banned me? Fine. His forum, his rules. I accept it, even if I do not agree with it.
The issue here is that if we do *something* (I hope it is certainly not something as excrucitantly idiotic as "they made the forum viewable by guests!", to be honest), you and Gesar will [apparently] 'suffer' through some sort of problem. But who is the true cause here? Who is actually being a d1ck for the sake of it? Think about that, please.
Snacks wrote:[...]Considering this forum exists in the first place because of people coddling someone's gigantic hissy-fit over a fucking set of stats[...]
I was banned as collateral damage initially, then due to Sonny's arbitrary actions afterwards. I can thus say that Molotov is the only place I, and others who not even have partaken in the drama at all (people like navyseacadet come to mind), can come to play similarly-styled forum games.
Had Sonny told me "shut up and play the games", I would have done so perfectly fine. But no, I was banned out of the blue. Ergo, me going to somewhere else was inevitable. It just happened to many others were banned/had grievances with Sonny and thus were forced to leave Patton. I followed them.
Snacks wrote:[...]the fact you aren't willing to deal with a member's concerns over being fucking harassed because of his participation here and actually trusting you guys is just the cherry on the hypocrisy sundae
I am going to reiterate it one last time: The problem is not here. I am not sure what I, or others, can do to help you deal with your situation on Patton. If it were up to me you would not have such problem at all, Patton and Molotov would go on just fine like any two separate communities.
But it is not up to me. Only a very small fraction of that whole problem is up to me, and almost half of it is up to Sonny. I apologize for being unable to help you, Snacks. But I will make this clear: There is no reason I should support the forum being limited because someone, somewhere else, dislikes me for [in truth] petty reasons.